주요 콘텐츠로 건너뛰기

동영상 개요

소개

M-a-g을 시작으로, 사랑받는 옛 기능 이 MacBook Pro로 돌아왔습니다. MagSafe를 짐작하였다면 실망할 수 있지만, "Magic Keyboard"라고 하였다면, 여기 분해도를 제공합니다. 완전히 새롭고 버터플라이가 없는 16-inch MacBook Pro입니다. 우리는 멋진 새로운 열 관리 장치부터 쿵쿵 거리는 큰 스피커까지—우리는 모든 것을 꺼내겠습니다. 자사의 첫 인상은 블로그 게시물에서 읽으시고 여기서 다시 만나 완전한 분해도를 확인하세요.

더 많은 분해도를 원하십니까? 자사의 Facebook, Instagram, 그리고 Twitter를 팔로우하여 모든 최신 분해 뉴스를 확인하세요. 자사의 뉴스 레터에 등록하여 뉴스를 구독하세요.

해당 분해도는 수리 안내서가 아닙니다. MacBook Pro 16" 2019 수리는 저희 서비스 설명서를 사용하십시오.

  1. 최신 MacBook Pro는 Apple에서 가장 불화를 일으키는  기기 중 하나이지만 항상 그렇지는 않았습니다. 우리는 이 새로운 모델이 원래 형태로 돌아올 것을 기대하겠습니다. 분해 대상 유닛의 사양은 다음을 포함합니다: True Tone, 3072x1920 해상도 (226ppi) 16” LED-백라이트 IPS Retina 디스플레이 2.6GHz 6-코어 Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost 최대 4.5GHz), AMD Radeon Pro 5300M과 페어링
    • 최신 MacBook Pro는 Apple에서 가장 불화를 일으키는 기기 중 하나이지만 항상 그렇지는 않았습니다. 우리는 이 새로운 모델이 원래 형태로 돌아올 것을 기대하겠습니다. 분해 대상 유닛의 사양은 다음을 포함합니다:

    • True Tone, 3072x1920 해상도 (226ppi) 16” LED-백라이트 IPS Retina 디스플레이

    • 2.6GHz 6-코어 Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost 최대 4.5GHz), AMD Radeon Pro 5300M과 페어링

    • 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 SDRAM

    • 512GB SSD

    • 100Wh 배터리

    • 6-스피커 사운드 시스템 및 고성능 마이크 어레이

    • Apple 외형은 많은 것을 알려주지 않습니다—적어도 충동적인 구매자를 끌어 들이기 위해서 이 디자인을 바꾸지는 않았습니다. 유일한 실마리는 새로운 모델 번호 A2141와 EMC 3347입니다.

  2. 팬케이크처럼 쌓아보면, 새로운 MacBook Pro가 최신 15” 모델보다 눈에 띄게 더 큰 것이 보입니다 (머리카락 만큼 약간 더 굵어졌습니다). 실제로 2015년 모델과 잘 비교가 됩니다—포트 선택 말고 크기로. 16” Pro와 2015 Pro를 맞대면, 거의 중복 처럼 보입니다 … 가까이서 볼 때까지. 디스플레이 힌지가 바뀌었고, 이전 Pro의 키가 조금 더 튀어나왔습니다. 2019 MacBook Pro 두 개 사이의 "다른점 찾기" 게임에서 16" 버전은 다음과 같습니다:
    • 팬케이크처럼 쌓아보면, 새로운 MacBook Pro가 최신 15” 모델보다 눈에 띄게 더 큰 것이 보입니다 (머리카락 만큼 약간 더 굵어졌습니다). 실제로 2015년 모델과 잘 비교가 됩니다—포트 선택 말고 크기로.

    • 16” Pro와 2015 Pro를 맞대면, 거의 중복 처럼 보입니다 … 가까이서 볼 때까지. 디스플레이 힌지가 바뀌었고, 이전 Pro의 키가 조금 더 튀어나왔습니다.

    • 2019 MacBook Pro 두 개 사이의 "다른점 찾기" 게임에서 16" 버전은 다음과 같습니다:

    • Touch Bar에서 분리된 물리적 Esc 키

    • 나머지 키와 일치하는 Touch ID/전원 버튼 무광택 마감

    • 약 19mm 단축한 Touch Bar 길이

    • 역T형 화살표 키, 모두 절반 크기

    • 왼편 그릴을 확대하여 향상하면, 개선한 트리플-마이크의 위장된 구멍이 보입니다. 한번 보고나면, 귀하는 결코 안 본 것으로 할 수 없습니다.

    Ich habe mein MBP16” Im Februar 2020 erhalten und dieses hat die erwähnten Löcher für die Mikrofone nicht…

    Atomic One - 답글

  3. 우리가 가장 잘하는 일을 할 시간입니다: 도구를 물체에 끼워서 무엇이 분리되는지 확인하세요. 키캡부터 시작합시다. iMac의 Magic Keyboard를 기억하시나요? 이 새로운 컴퓨터에서 Apple이 "핵심 기술"이라고 부르는 재설계한 키보드는 좋은 평가에 믿을 만한 디자인입니다. 이는 약간 과소 평가한 것입니다: 나란히 놓아도, 우리는 어떤 차이점도 발견하기가 어렵습니다. Scissor/시저 스위치, 키캡… 이 새로운 키들을 둘러싼 공간이 약간 줄어들었으며 전문가들은 재구성 된 화살표 키를 축하할 것입니다—하지만 다른 모든 것은 거의 동일해 보입니다.
    • 우리가 가장 잘하는 일을 할 시간입니다: 도구를 물체에 끼워서 무엇이 분리되는지 확인하세요.

    • 키캡부터 시작합시다. iMac의 Magic Keyboard를 기억하시나요? 이 새로운 컴퓨터에서 Apple이 "핵심 기술"이라고 부르는 재설계한 키보드는 좋은 평가에 믿을 만한 디자인입니다.

    • 이는 약간 과소 평가한 것입니다: 나란히 놓아도, 우리는 어떤 차이점도 발견하기가 어렵습니다. Scissor/시저 스위치, 키캡… 이 새로운 키들을 둘러싼 공간이 약간 줄어들었으며 전문가들은 재구성 된 화살표 키를 축하할 것입니다—하지만 다른 모든 것은 거의 동일해 보입니다.

    • 뉴스 속보: 이 새로운 스위치에는 방진막도 없습니다. 우리는 이를 아주 좋은 징조로 받아들이는 경향이 있습니다. (이는 드디어 우리가 분해하며 Doritos를 다시 먹을 수 있음을 의미합니다.)

    • 비교를 정리하며, 세 번째 이미지는 몇 달 전에 출시된 논란의 (그리고 변덕으로 악명 높은) 15" MacBook Pro "butterfly/버터플라이" 스위치를 보여줍니다.

    • 이 뿐만이 아니라, 여기 "unibody" 2012 MacBook Pro 디자인의 scissor/시저 스위치 사진입니다...

    • ...그리고 "좋은" 키보드를 장착한 Apple의 마지막 노트북의 scissor/시저, 2015 MacBook Prowith Retina display.

    Its hard to follow which bullet point is related to which picture.

    Gouthaman Raveendran - 답글

    You meant “there's even” and not “there's not even “ right?

    kabir - 답글

  4. Scissor/시저 메커니즘 아래에는 무엇이 있을까요? 저기요, 질문은 우리가 합니다—그대는 분해 작업을 끝내기나 하세요. 잠깐, 취소합니다—그 반대에요. 다음은 "즉각 반응하는 키 누름을 위해 더 많은 잠재적 에너지를 저장하는 Apple 디자인 고무 돔"을 살펴봅니다.
    • Scissor/시저 메커니즘 아래에는 무엇이 있을까요? 저기요, 질문은 우리가 합니다—그대는 분해 작업을 끝내기나 하세요.

    • 잠깐, 취소합니다—그 반대에요.

    • 다음은 "즉각 반응하는 키 누름을 위해 더 많은 잠재적 에너지를 저장하는 Apple 디자인 고무 돔"을 살펴봅니다.

    • 그 아래에는 흥미로운 패턴의 백라이트 어셈블리가 있습니다—자세한 내용은 나중에.

    • 그리고 이 모든 것을 둘러싼, 얇은 검정색 개스킷이 있는데—아마도 밝은 부분이 키의 가장자리를 따라 흘러 나가는 것을 막기 위함입니다.

    • 데스크톱 Magic Keyboard와 다시 비교:

    • Scissor/시저 메커니즘 두 개는 거의 동일해 보입니다. 이전 Magic sissor/매직 시저는 조금 더 두껍습니다 (1.6 vs 1.38 mm).

    • 0.22mm는 별것 아닌 것 같지만, 이 날씬한 새 scissor/시저 스위치를 되살리는데 많은 공학 기술이 사용된 것은 의심의 여지가 없습니다.

    What happen if we use desktop magic keyboard scissor mechanism(the thicker one) in Macbook Pro keyboard ?

    Friday - 답글

  5. 두께의 차이에도 불구하고, 이 키보드는 매우 비슷해 보이므로 다크 Magic과 빛을 섞으면 어떤 일이 발생하는지 보고 싶습니다... *천상의 합창* 마법 창조
    • 두께의 차이에도 불구하고, 이 키보드는 매우 비슷해 보이므로 다크 Magic과 빛을 섞으면 어떤 일이 발생하는지 보고 싶습니다...

    • *천상의 합창* 마법 창조

    • 네, 지금 보고 있는 것은 16" MacBook Pro 키보드와 scissor/시저에 장착된 2015 흰색 Magic Keyboard 키캡입니다. 작동합니다!

    • 이전 Magic 명령 키는 새로운 키보다 작고 (따라서 더 커진 키 주위 간격) 두껍습니다.

    • 모든 키가 서로 호환되지는 않으며, 이전 Magic 키에는 백라이트 투명 글자가 없습니다. 그러니, 키보드 모더 여러분, 아직 너무 들뜨지 마세요.

    Let’s start Modding of Macbook Pro :)

    Pavel - 답글

  6. (일단) 키보드는 그만 놀리고, 섀시를 벗겨 내부를 살펴봅시다. Apple은 이미 이 화난 올빼미를 보도 자료에서 GIF로 공개했지만, 우리가 아직 보지 못한 것은 불만스러운 외형 뒤에 무엇이 있는지 보여주기 위해 올빼미를 투시하는 고-에너지 X-레이입니다. X-레이는 올빼미를 더욱 화나게 만듭니다! 도망가세요! 다행히 Creative Electron 친구들이 여기서 모든 위험을 감수합니다—우리는 상황이 진정되면 분해를 재개하겠습니다.
    • (일단) 키보드는 그만 놀리고, 섀시를 벗겨 내부를 살펴봅시다.

    • Apple은 이미 이 화난 올빼미를 보도 자료에서 GIF로 공개했지만, 우리가 아직 보지 못한 것은 불만스러운 외형 뒤에 무엇이 있는지 보여주기 위해 올빼미를 투시하는 고-에너지 X-레이입니다.

    • X-레이는 올빼미를 더욱 화나게 만듭니다! 도망가세요! 다행히 Creative Electron 친구들이 여기서 모든 위험을 감수합니다—우리는 상황이 진정되면 분해를 재개하겠습니다.

    I’m still not clear on how exactly the keyboards are different - all the snark got in the way, but quite bemused by the ‘angry owl’!

    Kit - 답글

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type.

    Greg Conquest - 답글

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type. The two near the hinge are longer, about 7mm. The other four are about 3.5mm long. After removing these screws, though, the plate does not come off. Are there more screws under the rubber feet?

    Greg Conquest -

    You lift off the front of the bottom panel and pull forward. The back edge near the hinge has a series of prongs that slide out forward for removal, and backwards until you hear/feel a snap/click sound for reinstallation.

    Dice Yamaguchi - 답글

    • Torx/톡스 나사, schmorx 나사—자사의 Marlin 드라이버 세트는 모든 나사를 작업합니다. (하긴 생각해보니 schmorx 비트 용도는 아직 찾지 못했습니다.)

    • 이 컴퓨터는 열고 나서도, 우리는 더 많은 수수께끼에 직면합니다—가면 쓴 MacBook! 브루스, 너야?

    • Apple은 이 MacBook Pro 열 설계의 주요 발전을 선전하며, 이 방열판은 35% 더 커졌다고 합니다. (우리의 추측은 34%이지만, 그들의 말을 믿겠습니다.)

    • 또한 새로운 빠른 GDDR6 칩으로 예상되는—구리 쉴드와 알루미늄 열 패드 두 개를 포함하는 하드웨어 업그레이드도 발견했습니다.

    The photo in the linked Marlin screwdriver set is of four Phillips and one flathead driver, rather than the described pentalobes, torx and tri-point?

    Feanor - 답글

    Thanks for the catch! We’re working on fixing the incorrect image.

    Arthur Shi -

  7. 우리는 이 로직 보드가 콧수염-모양으로 생겼다는 생각을 멈출 수 없으므로, 의인화 비유를 아주 멀게 가서 털 사이를 샅샅이 살펴봅시다. 우리 빗에 걸린 것은 다음과 같습니다: 9-세대 Intel Core i7-9750H 6-코어 프로세서
    • 우리는 이 로직 보드가 콧수염-모양으로 생겼다는 생각을 멈출 수 없으므로, 의인화 비유를 아주 멀게 가서 털 사이를 샅샅이 살펴봅시다. 우리 빗에 걸린 것은 다음과 같습니다:

    • 9-세대 Intel Core i7-9750H 6-코어 프로세서

    • 16x Micron MT40A1G8SA-075 8Gb DDR4 SDRAM (총 16GB)

    • AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 모바일 GPU

    • 4x Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14 8Gb GDDR6 RAM (총 4GB)

    • Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 및 TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 플래시 스토리지 (총 512GB)

    • Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 보조프로세서

    • Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 컨트롤러

    Five (5) NAND packages… Doesn’t that strike anyone else as odd? How does that possibly work out to 512 GB?

    repoman27 - 답글

    Same question here. One for redundancy? Want to know how 1T,2T,4T,8T organized.

    Walter - 답글

    For the GDDR RAM, you say “8Gb” and then “4GB total”…can you clarify that notation? Is there 4GB of GDDR in the machine, or 8? If onul y 4, then what does the “8Gb” refer to?

    dontinw - 답글

    8Gb is the capacity for single GDDR6 chip. There are four 8Gb GDDR6 chips. Total video memory capacity is 32Gb(4GB).

    JJ Wu -

    @dontinw: 8Gb is 8 gigabit (how memory and flash manufacturers specify chip capacities). 8 bits to a byte, so 8Gb = 1GB (capital B). So 4 x 8Gb chips for a total of 4GB GDDR6 RAM.

    Colin Ng - 답글

    @repoman27 @Walter Five flash chips is a little odd, but flash chips are made in odd sizes. The 2018 Retina MacBook Air had three flash chips at 43 GB each for a total of 129 GB, sold as 128. This was also the reason for its weird 1.5 TB max capacity. The 2019 refresh dropped to two chips.

    My bet is 103 GB flash chips are a little bit cheaper per gigabyte than 128 GB. 1 TB and up will probably be eight chips.

    Zimmie - 답글

    Can the hard disks be easily upgraded?

    L Tan - 답글

    Is this “Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 coprocessor “ there to protect boards from 3rd party and unauthorized repairs?

    Babak - 답글

    Ostensibly no. It’s a hardware encryption co-processor. It allows for much higher speeds while maintaining very high levels of encryption.

    It also integrates many extra functions. It replaces many of the discrete components into a single black box as well.

    System Management Controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller

    Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862

    It also is the core of Touch ID and all of the secure boot and encrypted storage functions.

    However there are concerns that this may become the fact. As this is the SMC (System Management Controller) it could be used to track the serial numbers or other applicable identifiers to make sure that no component is replaced without an AASP resetting the coding.

    This is only a concern but with apple and the iphone error 53 fiasco we know they obviously have no qualms screwing over their customers to prevent 3rd party repairs.

    Grant Spedding -

    Where is the Soundchip / DAC?

    Edit: Sorry, next Step. maybe the Renesas 225101C

    Ballerjockel - 답글

    What DAC and amplifier are there?

    djmultik -

    i started using Macs Fan Control to control heating and the app takes advantage of controlling the two fans independently. What is the orientation of the logic board. Are we looking at it here as if you were facing the laptop with the screen open? I’d like to know which components are closest to which fan, R or L. Thanks.

    smithereens - 답글

    Hey smithereens! The orientation of the Logic board in the first photo is the same as its orientation in the computer when working on it face-up, meaning it’s flipped horizontally from what it would be when you are using it—L is R and R is L. Hope this helps, it’s a bit hard to describe with words! If you want you can go back and look at the photos above this step (while the board is still in the laptop) and map it out the orientation in your mind based on visible ICs on the board.

    Taylor Dixon -

    Where is the SPI flash rom?

    abductedaliens - 답글

    Is there any way to get access to the hard drive to backup the information if the logic board isnt working?

    David García - 답글

    Hi David.

    Difficult question.

    In some cases if the board dies the data dies with it.

    In others it can be connected to another machine to recover the data.

    In others it can be but needs board repairs (apple does not offer this so 3rd party only and bye bye warranty)

    Best case would be to ensure an up to date backup is kept and keep nothing mission critical on the machine

    Grant Spedding -

  8. 우리는 실리콘을 찾아 계속 빗질합니다. 실리콘은 모래에서 추출합니다. 우리가 이 모든 것을 잘못했나요? Intel SR40F 플랫폼 컨트롤러 허브
    • 우리는 실리콘을 찾아 계속 빗질합니다. 실리콘은 모래에서 추출합니다. 우리가 이 모든 것을 잘못했나요?

    • Intel SR40F 플랫폼 컨트롤러 허브

    • Texas Instruments CD3217B12 (아마도 전력 컨트롤러)

    • 338S00267-A0 (아마도 Apple PMIC)

    • Texas Instruments TPS51980B 전력 컨트롤러

    • 339S00610 (아마도 Apple Wi-Fi/Bluetooth 모듈)

    • Intersil 6277 PWM 변조기

    • Renesas 225101C

    It’s a pretty minor bit of silicon, but I also spy an NXP CBTL06142 DisplayPort 1.2 switch in between the CPU and GPU, likely for switching between integrated and discrete graphics for the built in display panel. This one is marked 6142E, but several previous iFixit Mac teardowns have revealed either the 6142F variant, or the Diodes Incorporated (Pericom) equivalent PI3WVR12612. For instance, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has a pair of these to share the two display outputs from the integrated GPU with both Thunderbolt 3 controllers.

    And is the Intel QMS380 chipset custom for Apple or does this appear elsewhere? It’s tiny compared to the normal PCH package.

    repoman27 - 답글

    You have listed a WiFi/Bluetooth module there. I can’t it’s location marked on the board. Can you tell me if it is a fixed module solded to the board. I only ask as Apple has again not gone the full Monty and only put in an AC spec wifi module when they have included the AX spec in the new phones.

    Michael Rapkins - 답글

    I can’t tell which component is the Apple 339S00610 WiFi/Bluetooth module in that illustration. Is it still on an m.2 card, or has it been soldered to the motherboard now?

    Bryce Glover - 답글

    @ Michaek Rapkins & Bryce Glover: It’s the silver component circled in light blue in the second image. It’s a Broadcom based combo SiP module from Universal Scientific Industrial (USI), and it’s soldered to the logic board.

    repoman27 -

  9. 마더보드를 치우고 나서, 나머지 개선된 열 설계를 살펴볼 수 있습니다. 우리가 vent/분통을 터뜨리는 동안 잠시 실례합니다 (농담). 이전 형제 (15-inch 2019 모델) 위에 올린, 새로운 MacBook Pro에는 눈에 띄게 더 커진 vent/배기 구멍이 있습니다. 더 커진 임펠러 블레이드가 특징인 이 새로운 팬과 함께  새로운 Pro는 28% 더 많은 공기가 통과합니다.
    • 마더보드를 치우고 나서, 나머지 개선된 열 설계를 살펴볼 수 있습니다.

    • 우리가 vent/분통을 터뜨리는 동안 잠시 실례합니다 (농담). 이전 형제 (15-inch 2019 모델) 위에 올린, 새로운 MacBook Pro에는 눈에 띄게 더 커진 vent/배기 구멍이 있습니다.

    • 더 커진 임펠러 블레이드가 특징인 이 새로운 팬과 함께 새로운 Pro는 28% 더 많은 공기가 통과합니다.

    • 허풍 처럼 들릴 수 있지만, 이 모든 멋진 개선 사항은 16" Pro가 이전 설계보다 집약적인 작업중에 최대 12와트를 더 많이 유지할 수 있습니다.

    The dancing indie video game creatures are adorable!

    Kent Jenkins - 답글

  10. 우리는 아래에서 Magic을 찾기 바라며 키보드 백라이트를 천천히 벗겨냅니다. 백라이트 어셈블리는 가장자리를 따라 LED 빛을 발하는 플렉시블 디퓨저로 구성됩니다. 플렉시블 디퓨저가 일반적이지만 이것은 밝기와 균일성을 최대화하기 위해 특별히 새긴 것처럼 보입니다. 백라이트 아래에 금속 키보드 프레임 가장자리를 따라서  Pentalobe P2/펜타로브/별나사가 몇 개 있습니다. 설마? Dorito를 먹으며 type-a-thon/타자 치기를 마치고 나서  고장난 키를 교체하기 위해 이 나사를 풀 수 있습니까?
    • 우리는 아래에서 Magic을 찾기 바라며 키보드 백라이트를 천천히 벗겨냅니다.

    • 백라이트 어셈블리는 가장자리를 따라 LED 빛을 발하는 플렉시블 디퓨저로 구성됩니다. 플렉시블 디퓨저가 일반적이지만 이것은 밝기와 균일성을 최대화하기 위해 특별히 새긴 것처럼 보입니다.

    • 백라이트 아래에 금속 키보드 프레임 가장자리를 따라서 Pentalobe P2/펜타로브/별나사가 몇 개 있습니다. 설마? Dorito를 먹으며 type-a-thon/타자 치기를 마치고 나서 고장난 키를 교체하기 위해 이 나사를 풀 수 있습니까?

    • 안돼~~! 다시 한 번, 키보드 어셈블리를 고정합니다. 스위치는 과자 부스러기 공격자에게 덜 취약할 수 있지만 키보드 자체는 버터플라이 보드보다 수리가 더욱 용이하지는 않습니다.

    • 기본적으로 2016년의 반복입니다: 서비스 불가능한 디자인과 결합한 새로운 키보드입니다. Apple에 의하면 "고장나지 않아요." 그리고 이는 키보드 서비스 프로그램의 일부도 아니고, 그래요 ... : /

    • 한 줄기 희망은 이 새로운 키보드 디자인이 대부분 세월에 변함없이 건재한 과거의 Apple 키보드와 매우 유사하다는 것입니다.

    • 이 키보드와 소통에 빈손으로 떠나지 않기 위해, 우리는 키보드를 최대한 많이 들어 올려 어떻게 키보드가 클릭하는지 파악합니다. 우리는 버튼이 누르는 금속 백 플레이트 사이에 끼어있는 유연한 PCB 층을 보았습니다...하지만 magic/마법은 아니네요.

    Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.

    Matthias - 답글

    “Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.”

    No, Apple doesn’t like its products repairable. Reparability means recyclability means less profit for Apple.

    Harry - 답글

    is the backlight glued ?

    Ale - 답글

    my keyboard is not working even after I replace the logic board purchased from apple twice. and keyboard I replaced Chinese copy is there any sensor or terminal command that help keyboard detecting after main logic board replaced.

    Atif Ali - 답글

  11. 자 이제 모든 키보드 질문을 해결했으니, 아직 주변에 널린 나머지 비트로 넘어갈 수 있습니다. 우선, 이 멋진 새로운 XL-Earpods 스피커와 확장 인클로저, 그리고 상단과 하단 반대편에 위치한 우퍼. 반대편의 우퍼는 서로의 진동을 상쇄합니다. 새로운 AirPods Pro의 소음 방지 기능과 비슷하지만 ... 베이스는. 안티-베이스?
    • 자 이제 모든 키보드 질문을 해결했으니, 아직 주변에 널린 나머지 비트로 넘어갈 수 있습니다.

    • 우선, 이 멋진 새로운 XL-Earpods 스피커와 확장 인클로저, 그리고 상단과 하단 반대편에 위치한 우퍼.

    • 반대편의 우퍼는 서로의 진동을 상쇄합니다. 새로운 AirPods Pro의 소음 방지 기능과 비슷하지만 ... 베이스는. 안티-베이스?

    • 우리는 길쭉한 인클로저에 대해 확신이 없지만, 최선의 추측은 새로운 모양이 음질을 향상하기 위해 음향을 다시 전송한다는 것입니다. 어쩌면 두 번째 우퍼의 편의를 도모하기 위해 추가 볼륨이 필요한가요?

    • 다음, 또 다른 음향 업그레이드: "고성능" 3-마이크 어레이. 2018 MacBook Air 3-마이크 어레이와 비슷하게 배치되어 있지만 조금 더 튼튼해 보이므로 고품질 마이크일 수 있습니다.

    • 끝으로, FAA의 의심스러운 눈총을 받는 리튬 동력: Apple 99.8Wh 배터리 (11.36V, 8790mAh).

    • 이는 우리가 본 가장 큰 MacBook 배터리입니다—17” MacBook Pro보다 4.8Wh, 최신 15” MacBook Pro보다 16.2Wh 증가했습니다.

    • 이 추가 용량은 어디에서 왔을까요? 자, Apple은 iPhone 11을 흉내냈습니다—각 배터리 셀은 이전 제품과 동일하게 보이지만 평균 0.8mm 더 두껍습니다.

    The battery is only .3 Wh larger than the 2015 MBP 15”, though, which has a 99.5Wh battery: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp719?local... So you would probably be better off mentioning that than the 17” macbook pro, which is almost a decade old at this point.

    steven - 답글

    The speaker enclosures are mostly to eat the sound which would otherwise radiate from the back of the driver. A free-floating electromagnetic speaker radiates from both sides of the membrane, but 180º out of phase, and the resulting audio interferes with itself in complicated ways. By having one face radiate into an enclosure, you get less self-interference. The problem is enclosures contain air, radiating sound into them compresses that air, and air doesn’t want to be compressed. A larger enclosure presents less resistance to the driver’s movement. Odd shapes don’t help quite as much as regular shapes, but the added volume is still beneficial.

    Zimmie - 답글

  12. 분해도 업데이트: 어, 이 작은 플렉스 케이블이 여기서 뭘 하는 거지? 우리는 이것을 전에 본 기억이 없으며 친절하게도 MacRumors는 이에 대해 우리에게 물어보았습니다. 조사를 위해서 디스플레이를 완전히 분리해야 하지만 왼편 힌지를 마주하는 새로운 센서가 있으며 힌지 자체에 자석이 내포되어 있습니다. 자석의 화살표는 디스플레이와 동기화되어 회전하는 정렬/극성을 나타냅니다. Apple이 뚜껑 각도 센서를 추가한 것 같습니다. 왜 그게 필요할까요? 이것이 멋진 새로운 macOS 기능을 가능하게 할까요?
    • 분해도 업데이트: 어, 이 작은 플렉스 케이블이 여기서 뭘 하는 거지? 우리는 이것을 전에 본 기억이 없으며 친절하게도 MacRumors는 이에 대해 우리에게 물어보았습니다.

    • 조사를 위해서 디스플레이를 완전히 분리해야 하지만 왼편 힌지를 마주하는 새로운 센서가 있으며 힌지 자체에 자석이 내포되어 있습니다. 자석의 화살표는 디스플레이와 동기화되어 회전하는 정렬/극성을 나타냅니다.

    • Apple이 뚜껑 각도 센서를 추가한 것 같습니다. 왜 그게 필요할까요? 이것이 멋진 새로운 macOS 기능을 가능하게 할까요?

    • 어쩌면요. 수리가 필요할 경우 Apple이 기기 사용 내역을 추적하는 효과적인 방법일 수 있습니다. 예를 들어, 디스플레이 케이블이 닳은 경우, Apple은 디스플레이를 얼마나 자주, 얼마나 많이 조절하였는지 알기 원할 수 있습니다.

    • MacRumors는 몇 가지 추가 조사를 하였으며, Apple이 수리 후 이 작은 센서를 보정하기를 원하는 것을 알게되었습니다. 우리의 추측에 동참하려면 자사의 게시물을 확인하세요!

    Is it possible this is an environmental source of randomness (for encryption)?

    Joseph - 답글

    I wonder if they doing some HRTF audio tricks and bouncing sound off the display, it does have amazing stereo imaging. The sensor may allow them to calculate the screen angle and adjust output. I suppose it could be used to improve the mic noise cancelling with the same info, calculating delay/distance to the reflected sound off the display

    mail - 답글

    Its still a Hall sensor! In this case is a radial sensor so the rotation is sensed. The 2019 used two edge sensors just in front of the USB ports (L&R) to sense the lifting of the lid. The only thing I can think of is if you are using an external display with a BT/USB keyboard/mouse/trackpad the lid could be placed at an angle so the speakers can broadcast outwards. The three microphones could even be used to measure the reflectance, similar to the HomePod.

    Dan - 답글

    Apple wants this little sensor calibrated after repairs.

    I hope they don't use this as another way to curtail repair (think iPhone XS battery). I can see it now:

    Cannot adjust brightness. Please visit AASP for calibration.

    Patrick Lienau - 답글

    Not really a tech, but could it be used to detect clamshell mode for some reason?

    kevinharter - 답글

    I would guess that with six speakers, two fans and a haptic touchpad, they were running out of spots to place the pair of a magnet and hall effect sensor where they wouldn’t get cross-talk from other magnets. Sticking the pair right on the hinge and measuring rotation makes sense in that there was probably less competition for space there. The tradeoff is the need to calibrate the hall effect response rather than doing a more naive binary threshold.

    Nirav Patel - 답글

    This is a welcome improvement over the old, too sensitive sleep sense arrangement. This will prevent the machine from waking when the display is barely lifted from park and will also eliminate waking if a key is depressed when the display is closed - which can easily occur since the display rests just 0.40 mm above the keys when folded. Noticed this immediately while qualifying RadTech’s ScreenSavrz for this machine.

    John Grzeskowiak - 답글

    if combined with time and logged a complete lid-position history. will be created, which could be used for research purposes. Info about typical viewing angle could be a subject. However, so fare John Grzeskowiak’s comment is my favourite for the correct answer.

    bjoern holst jespersen - 답글

    Agreeing with John, this would just seem to be a replacement for the old laptop close sensor.

    It would need to be recalibrated after repairs because a hall effect sensor and magnet pair form a vary… analog… arrangement. That is, while the values should be very repeatable in ‘static’ arrangement, as soon as things get jostled about, the values could jump quite significantly from pre-jostled ones.

    Eric Merrill - 답글

    Eek. I can smell what they are planning on doing, and not in a good way.

    But how cool is a lid-angle measuring device? Pretty cool if you ask me…

    If you think a magnetic closing lid is to disrupt microphones, think again. Most lids now more or less have magnetic-assisted closing motion, anyway.

    Xavier Jiang - 답글

    I can see it as a way to replace the old “lid closed” sensor. Especially if you wear an Apple watch with a magnetic clasp. I’ve had a MacBook Pros go to sleep while I was using it because the band I had on was using a magnetic clasp, trigging a false lid closed.

    tech - 답글

  13. 이 새로운 MacBook Pro에 대한 우리의 감정을 정리합시다:
    • 이 새로운 MacBook Pro에 대한 우리의 감정을 정리합시다:

    • 멋진 새로운-기존 scissor/시저 메커니즘은 깨지기 쉬운 버터플라이보다 내구성이 더 좋을 수 있지만 전체 키보드 어셈블리는 여전히 제자리에 고정되어 있습니다.

    • 열 시스템 개조는 악명 높은 Pro 라인업에 반가운 개선입니다.

    • 99.8Wh 배터리는 FAA가 눈치 채지 못하게 몰래 가장 최근의 15” 모델보다 16.2Wh 더 많은 용량을 출력합니다. 약간의 케이스 크기 증가에 비해, 이 용량 증가는 놀랍습니다.

    • 새로운 스피커, 팟캐스트-품질 마이크 어레이, 그리고 그 거대한 화면에도 불구하고 우리는 Apple이 더 분발해야 한다고 생각할 수 밖에 없습니다—특히 Microsoft가 최신 노트북을 더 수리 용이하도록 진정한 엔지니어링 마법을 사용한 것을 본 후에 말입니다. 2020 Pro 라인업은 정말로 숨이 멎을 정도이기를 바랍니다.

    • 하지만 지금은, 점수를 매기는 일만 남았습니다.

  14. 최종 결론
    • 트랙패드는 아주 작은 드라마로 여전히 분리 및 교체할 수 있습니다.
    • 작은 부품은 모듈식이지만 프로세서, RAM, 그리고 플래시 메모리는 로직 보드에 납땜되어 있습니다.
    • 접착제 및/또는 리벳은 키보드, 배터리, 스피커 및 Touch Bar를 고정하므로 이런 부품 수리를 까다롭게 합니다.
    • Touch ID 센서는 전원 스위치이며 로직 보드에 고정되어 있어서 수리가 매우 복잡합니다.
    수리 용이성 점수
    1
    수리 용이성 10점 중 1점
    (10은 가장 쉬운 수리를 뜻합니다)

다음 번역가들에게 특별히 감사 드립니다:

en ko

100%

Christian Kim님은 저희가 세상을 수리하는데 동참하신 분입니다! 기여하시겠습니까?
번역 시작하기 ›

댓글 97개

almost no repair choices even though its a “pro” device

Gage - 답글

What does being a “pro” device have to do with high repairability? “Pro” (itself more of a marketing term than a technical one) covers a proud range of areas. My sister is a pro graphic designer. She can do amazing things with illustrator or photoshop. She couldn’t tell you the next thing about processors or keyboard switches. For her the “pro” is what she can get done, not whether or not she can pop open the case. I’d be willing to lay odds thats true for a lot of people.

Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.

kreutz -

In response to kreutz.

Hypothetical:

The Pro Graphic Designer is working on a commission that has taken several weeks. She has completed another days worth of work while out and about (the main point of a laptop, portability) someone drops liquid into the unit and it fails.

She could just redo the hours of work she just lost after her last backup (assuming she is someone who backs up religiously), however her deadline is tomorrow morning.

If she is using a true pro device she could drop by a computer repair place. Have them remove the SSD and recover the data. (in the macbook pro the SSD is soldered and even if it wasn’t the T2 chip prevents an external computer from reading it). If she is using the “PRO” device that apple sells she is $@$* out of luck and has to pull an all nighter to redo the work or loose the commission and be out all of the work she has done.

The ability to respond to unexpected situations damage, moisture, internal failure or design fault is what should set a PRO device apart.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding The T2 does not prevent an external computer from reading the SSD. It is connected to one of the USB-C ports. There is a tool you can connect which will boot the T2 in DFU mode, prompt for the user’s password, tell the T2 to load the SSD, then dump all the data to an external drive.

Though I seriously wonder what professional would use a machine with no backups of in-flight work. Especially when it’s a Mac, and every macOS since 10.5 in 2007 has included Time Machine.

Zimmie -

For those suggesting that the moniker PRO doesn’t need to mean ‘repairable’, ‘accessible’, ‘non-complicated’, just consider any other PRO industry who relies hugely on repairability and the ability to get inside their devices / tools / instruments to keep them going as long as possible. A music producer wouldn’t throw away a 50 channel recording deck because 2 channels failed one day. A musician wouldn’t put their guitar in the dump because a machine head broke, $10 would get that musician back on stage again. A chef that finds their knife no longer sharp doesn’t look for the bin and a wholesale knife catalogue to buy a new one, they get a hone, or a stone and in 10 minutes their knife is possibly as good as new.

Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible. The moniker PRO is assumed to not only be top quality but top at saving the day when $@$* hits the fan and these machines are no longer that.

John Ward -

Between work I’ve done at an advertising agency, and a free lance photographer; you’d be amazed how many people market themselves as "Pros” but don’t have any backup of their work. Or they have a single external HDD which has all their work and accept that as their backup because time machine is running on it. The idea of “PRO” here is its Apple’s highest end laptop, and people can feel like calling themselves “pro” is justified. This has nothing to do with sensible backup strategies or thinking ahead to the what if scenario of a computer failure.

Gouthaman Raveendran -

@zimmie So if the motherboard fails completely. ie when a mac gets a whiff of moisture in the air (hyperbole obviously) and the main board craps out and cannot enter DFU mode. What then?

Grant Spedding -

@kreutz Additionally I would agree that the PRO moniker is massively overused/misused however all of Apple’s marketing really emphasizes specifically pro use.

As you said

“Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.”

I would argue however that the pro you are referring to is a marketing gimmick just like “Mitsubishi Heavy Industries” in reference to normal domestic air conditioners. It has no right to claim the “Pro” moniker just as the air con has no right to claim “Heavy Industries”. So the people valuing PRO are quite literally valuing an empty marketing promise over something that could save their business when something goes wrong.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding You CAN do that, but not always. For example, recovering data after damaging the laptop would be much harder since everything is encrypted. If the T2 chip is damaged in some way (by water, for example), then all of the data on there is unrecoverable.

Ethan Zuo -

@ethanzuo

The T2 chip is separate to my issues with this unit. Yes (very) theoretically you could recover from a damaged board. If you look at a comment above by Phillip Hue this requires several things including an intact T2 Chip and power rails to supply power.

However my big problem is the use of an ssd soldered to the motherboard. With a removable ssd it is possible to recover data even if the rest of the board has literal holes in it, components completely corroded off the board or if the USB-C ports are damaged (as in the comment above by Phillip specifies that these are required). My problem is with the way that apple have chosen to have absolutely no replaceable parts.

1 Ram chip fails… That’s a motherboard

1 Ssd chip fails… That’s a motherboard

A USB-C socket fails… That’s a motherboard

The wifi module fails… That’s a motherboard

anything goes wrong… That’s a motherboard

It’s a wasteful and anti consumer decision that cannot be justified

Grant Spedding -

As a pro user, there’s definitely something to be said for repairability. However, as any pro should know, you never trust any one device or system completely. 99.9999% reliability still isn’t quite perfect, and I’ve experienced failures. That’s why I have backups. I NEVER rely on one storage medium. It’s much easier for me to quickly recover a file from Backblaze and work on another machine.. Price is also an important factor - it’s much less costly for me to quickly download a file and get back to work on a backup computer and FedEx my laptop to get repaired under warranty than it is to take time out of my day, pay out of pocket, and wait for a repair shop to recover my data. SSDs fail too, and being able to remove an SSD doesn’t do me much good if it’s what’s broken. Most of us work from servers or external drives regardless. Repairability matters, but my camera bag is already heavier than I’d like - if I have to sacrifice repairability for my back health, I’ll take it

Ashley Ryan -

well well. like 30 years of PRO models by every single other manufacturer.. well including apple till 2015, including Mac Pro. one of the best examples is HP Probook. it is clearly designed to be serviceable, you can swap the hard drive with 2 screws, you can clean fans, you can replace keyboard, etc. PRO means that you do not need to buy a new one as soon as you drop a few drops of liquid.

inwerp -

I can totally agree that a device’s performance is not affected by its repairability. But while you think that your device’s repairability has nothing to do with you, as you are not a professional repairer, the repairability of the device is very important when you run into a hardware issue. For example, a Thunderbolt 3 port on your MacBook is not working due to a malfunction of the Intel JHL Controller, that’s a motherboard right there, equivalent to nearly 2000 bucks, unless the repairer can perform micro soldering (Apple won’t do that). And who’s paying that fee? You, of course. Your screen cracks, another couple hundred bucks. Your keyboard breaks, no coverage program, bam, more money spent. In the end, you are suffering too. Apple’s gimmick is that they make things so unrepairable that your repairing fee is basically the same as buying another device (a tad bit cheaper), or that they simply don’t repair, so you are forced to buy more devices, and the more you buy, the more money Apple makes out of you.

KillerLab 233 -

I had my SSD cable broken last day, took out my SSD and connected it via USB, continued working until my new cable arrives in 3 three days. I do not have another laptop or PC. Being a pro does not mean you have multitudes of everything but being able to find quick solutions on the go. Now we can not do this with the new MacBook ‘pro’ . I upgraded my MacBook Pro (mid-2012) with an ssd and extended its life, but no more, now it is old and should get a new one. Stuck!

Deniz Ozut -

oh boy…why even allow it to be opened in the first place? rivets and glue just make this design worse.. I think you need to have a negative number for your review system- thx for the work on busting open these devices.

MND DESIGN - 답글

i wish they would just allow the batteries to be easily replaced at the very minimum

jamieexeter - 답글

Step 8. It says “Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 flash storage (512 GB total)”.

Does it mean that it has two SSD sticks? RAID? Thanks!

Peter Gamble - 답글

Just two NAND modules, one controller, so not RAID

nitesh singh -

Individual LEDs under each key cap are gone. Guess it can’t all be wins, I did like how much more precise the light was without bleeding out around it. Does the new one have more light bleed then?

nitesh singh - 답글

Thanks for the teardown! Did they fix the fragile display cable? Or is that still bound to break?

Felix - 답글

Hey Felix! It’s hard to say for sure whether they’ve totally fixed it, but last year they adjusted the length of the cables in question and as far as I know, those machines have yet to experience any display or backlight issues directly related to those cables. The 16” Pro’s display cables are still precariously placed and built into the display, but like the “improved” Pros of last year, they seem to have enough slack that they shouldn’t get stretched over the display controller board and short out over time.

Taylor Dixon -

Thanks Taylor!

Felix -

Men, I really hoped we would see replaceable RAM or SSD. I am still waiting out with a fully upgraded Macbook Pro 13 2012 non retina.

Guess I have a little longer to wait for a replacement. Nice to see the keyboard fixed though.

Peterdk - 답글

Same here :( but low tech is the futur … ^^;

snoid2 -

I’m dissapointed about flash memory. The flash memory is soldered!!!! :(

Estoy decepcionado sobre el almacenamiento flash. El almacenamiento flash está soldado!!!! :(

joerfrada - 답글

What’s the difference between TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 SSD?

Jay S - 답글

No mention of the soldered on flex cable between the display and the motherboard. Is that still the case with this model?

wiggin - 답글

Had the same question and got this very informative answer: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 분해도

Felix -

I’m not sure it’s technically correct to conclude that “the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards” just because the keyboard assembly is riveted in place. The Butterfly keyboards were less repairable than Apple’s 2015 Scissor keyboards, which were also riveted in place.

The Butterfly keyboards didn’t allow you to remove/replace keycaps, so if debris got underneath the key, your only hope was to spray some compressed air around the edge of the key and hope for the best. The ability to remove a keycap, spray for debris, and then replace the keycap itself makes this keyboard at least a little more repairable. (The MacBook keyboard has never had replaceable keyswitches AFIAK.)

dan - 답글

This is a bummer. I should have waited until this release, before I bought mine. I really want the 32Gb. I was hoping to be able to upgrade it.

limegrntaln - 답글

At least batteries should be replaceable with removable stretch tape. If half the computer has to be thrown away to replace a keyboard or battery, this is not environmentally friendly.

Richard Burton - 답글

Hopefully Apple can apply the same improvements to the 13” to make it a 14” and change how batteries are attached to improve repair ability.

Richard Burton - 답글

UWB - Ultra Wide Band Chip anywhere?

Steffen Thieringer - 답글

Why does it weight 2x an LG gram? Would love to see you tear down one of those and compare the weight of each part

Gregg Tavares - 답글

Shame that people still buy these units. Soldered on everything is an absolute joke. What's even more comical is seeing all the articles come out commenting on the much improved keyboard. Does anyone even acknowledge the stupidity of that statement? It's a 2k-6k laptop and that's all the majority of people care about? Thank you for everything you do here, hopefully one day I'll be able to upgrade my 2011 17” mbp.

Mike M - 답글

You nailed it. A decent keyboard is kinda expected, right? Not to mention that the Apple has been trying to quietly kill the MacOS for a long time. It needs a complete overhaul. iOS on ARM processors is the future, right? Buying a Macbook Pro is more costly than the initial inflated (customer gouging) purchase price. Open up the wallet people!! $379 + service fees.

AppleCare+ for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro includes:

Three years (total) limited hardware warranty.

Three years (total) technical support.

Coverage for two incidents of accidental damage (subject to a service fee of $99 for screen damage or $299 for other damage)

Customer901428 -

What makes a PRO device PRO is not necessarily “upgradeability” (which is also true) but repairability and compatibility…

When you have a memory, storage or any component failure (battery, display, etc) and you have to change the whole unit (maybe at your own expense) this is not a PRO device, it’s just a very fancy consumer product.

When you have to change your peripherals (PRO expensive peripherals you have acquired through years) just because your new “PRO” computer has changed the connectors and forces you to buy converters, dongles and all kind of expensive $@$* just to connect your existing equipment to a computer from the same manufacturer, then you don’t have a PRO computer. Even if it does have “PRO” in the name.

When you are forced to buy new equipment every 2 or 3 years to keep pace with the always-changing technology, or just to cover repair costs, you are never capable of getting a return of investment. That’s not a PRO equipment.

esmuposible - 답글

I have been waiting for a fixed keyboard and 16 inch MacBook for a while. $@$*!& repairability, but it looks like I don’t have any other option other than buying it. Don’t want to go back to Windows, nor buying 2015 Macbook :(

Javanshir Alammadli - 답글

Apple uses recycled aluminum for their bottom line, not to protect the environment from unnecessary waste. If you can repair you own MacBook Pro, then you don’t need to pay the Apple tax. Apple is terrified of losing a revenue stream. State of California, where are your right to repair laws? Laws for everything else. What a joke! Say one thing, do the opposite. My Lenovo Thinkpad (repairable) is more enjoyable to use, and gives me access to Ubuntu and Windows 10. Gaming and a work covered. My use cases for Macbook Pro, web browsing, email, imessage, and photo editing. Is the Macbook Pro worth the cost for mainstream users, not really. “innovation” (or reverse “innovation”) is being celebrated. Basically, it works like this, Apple makes a design decision for you in a vacuum. Then, you have to wait years and years for Apple to admit the mistake (if they do) and reverse it. If you have to buy a Macbook Pro, get it used for half the cost and help the environment from less Apple waste.

Customer901428 - 답글

After nearly 8 years with my upgraded mid 2012 MacBook Pro Unibody, I decided it is time to get the 2019 16”.

With 4TB of SSD, 16gb ram and 2.7ghz Quad, there hasn’t been enough of a leap (or really a need) to get a new machine for my needs (lightroom, photoshop, indesign, illustrator). I’m uncomfortable with the all-soldered board - I’ve had 3 SSD failures on my current machine, but they were always an easy swap. Gone through 4 batteries as well.

With Ethernet, FW800, USB3, and ease of serviceability I believe this is one of the last truly Pro laptops from Apple. Unfortunately, quality parts are getting harder come by. The old keyboard needed to be replaced but is not as good as the original. Batteries from iFixit are failing much quicker than the Apple component. Cant even find a protective case for it these days.

I hope I can get the same amount of years out of the 2019 16”.

jason - 답글

Shameless laptop, MUCH overpriced, no PRO at all, Will past………… A JOKE AT BEST

maximinlida - 답글

@zimmie Youre actually wrong about the T2 part, specifically how it actually works. I work as an AASP technician, heres how it works. 1: it is not a tool, its a secondary macbook running apples Data Transfer Utility, which is part of the Mac Confoguration Utility Suite provided to us. 2: In order to *use* those utilities, you must have access to an AST2 account (https://diagnostics..apple.com) and be authorized to use that tool by whatever AASP you work for, or be authorized by apple for an apple store style job. 3: you must *also* have an active repair in apples GSX system (Global Service Exchange, gsx.apple.com) AND have the Logic Board (or replacement laptop) added to the repair itself. If no replacement board is added, then this utility tells you to f*ck off. 4: This tool 100% relies on the fact that T2, CD3215, USB-C port, NAND, and any relevant power rails and data lines are not dead or broken. If your T2 chip died, or a power fail on the board responsible for T2 dies, or NAND on the board dies, or any similar issues, youre f*cked. Plain and simple. You *have* to do board repait at that point to get it to a state where this actually works, assuming it isnt NAND , T2, or ISL9240 that killed itself. If these killed themselves then you have 0 chance of recovery since you cannot get these parts at all. Since you worded it as if any plain Jane can do it, youre intentionally making your argument invalid and youre also spreading misinformation about apples repair side and peoples ability as a consumer to actually practice recovering data form theirt dead macbooks.

Phillip Hue - 답글

If you can get the machine to boot into Thunderbolt Target mode and have another Mac available, you can recover your own data. And every SSD has the same issues if the controller, SDRAM cache if present, enough NAND dies / packages, or host interface cease to function. The additional complexity of the Mac logic board does mean there’s a lot more opportunity for things to go wrong though. But you’d also be surprised what professional data recovery services are capable of, even going back to the days of spinning disks. If you’re comfortable doing BGA rework in the first place, it’s not that big of a deal to transfer a known good PMIC from another logic board. And depending on the circumstances, the data recovery may be worth enough to the customer to pay for something like that.

repoman27 -

@repoman27 While you are correct that involved repairs that require specialized equipment and training IE BGA rework. can recover almost anything from a macbook in any condition. Have you ever checked the cost of having someone do BGA rework on a motherboard? And will Apple ever offer the service?

And failing that will Apple ever help 3rd parties to complete these type of repairs, ie supply the required parts and manuals?

If you watch some of Louis Rossmann’s videos regarding parts availability and the CBS special on taking a macbook with a simple fault that was immediately quoted the cost of the unit and with no data intact.

Apple could resolve this cheaply and simply by making the SSD removable and to use either a removable TPM or include the encryption method on the SSD to allow for it to be connected to another system for data recovery.

Grant Spedding -

I won’t buy a new computer unless it’s repairable and upgradable. Apple is very close to loosing my 35 year allegiance (and I have purchased dozens of Macs over that period). The Windows notebooks my employer furnishes are not as pretty but they are way more repairable and upgradable. Apple charges more and used to offer top quality and longevity in exchange. Their last 4 or 5 years have been a downward spiral in both “advantages” accelerated by a string of buggy OS releases.

gary - 답글

Pro is short for prostitute.

It just means that you get paid for doing it.

I expect a Pro device to be designed to minimise the chance of it needing repair.

Generally repairability is achieved at the expense of reliability.

Ifixit, great as they are, are biased on this topic as they make their money from device repairs. They have every motive to promote repairability over reliability.

Alex Bowden - 답글

Let’s park the name pro. This is a very expensive laptop. So it should work for 8 - 10 years. In order to do so, it must be possible to upgrade and repair. But it is not.

Besides, our earth is fragile and has limited resources. Repair helps the planet. But this fancy laptop can hardly be repaired.

Ooh Apple, why are you so money focussed in stead of creativity focussed? Where are all the new devices and creative designs that you used to make in the past? We only see more of the same: thinner, lighter, with better battery and with a subwoofer. But no new products at all. No new groundbreaking pro software either. Apple was fighting Big Blue/ The System back in the 80’s. I’ll guess Apple itself is now The System…

Danny - 답글

The bottom cover’s screws are still P5?

tong1774 - 답글

Correct! They are still P5.

Arthur Shi -

They COULD do better, but why would they?

Apple is the only company with their own wireless (no blame for delivering Airdrop), apple-branded SSD (what the heck), T2 “security chip”.

That have nothing to do with “Pro”. That said, “Pro” users most likely will modify their hardware to suit their needs (or swap out broken stuff to make it live longer) but as far as I know this is against Apple’s intentions.

Hey, they still use screws.

Xavier Jiang - 답글

10 points to Gryffindor for the Angry Face tear-down layout. Well played. As for the unit itself, I’m thrilled that they got so many of the crucial details right: massive RAM and SSD options (RAM reasonably priced, SSD…not so much), more battery, reliable heat dispersion, a keyboard we know works and feels right, and a small improvement in screen real-estate. I’m still on my original MBPr from 2013, and she’s still a workhorse. But the years are showing and it’s time to put her out to pasture. To those people who claim MacBooks are way overpriced, I counter with my nearly 7 year old MBPr and say, “$2,800 over 6 years is a pretty damned good ROI.” Hopefully, this new 16” will see 5-7 years as well.

I just wish Apple would bring back the glowing  and the boot-chime…C'est la vie

AniMill - 답글

960€ for additional 48GB ram, while one can get 64GB for 416€ (steepest price I could find) on the free market.

I wonder.. what kind of cool aid did you take to call Apple’s ram prices “reasonable “?

Ceyx -

Here’s another perspective on the “Pro” label. One might say, “who cares about ease of repairs if you’ve got a paid service plan like AppleCare…however they do it, it’ll get taken care of”. In the PC world, the business line of Dell’s laptops (“Latitude” labeled) are designed to be *very* repairable, especially compared to their lowest end products. How does this help the “pro” user? Pro’s who use their laptop every working second of the day really *hate* to part with it for long, especially if it is still mostly functional. It means that when someone has a broken keyboard, we can arrange for a company rep to visit on-site (This is included in the sub $200 service plan) and they’ll sit at our conference table and replace the keyboard in under an hour (their toolset consisting primarily of a few phillips head screwdrivers). Compare that to taking their MBP to the Apple Store and being told they’ll have it back in 2 days (or so).

davidw - 답글

Overpriced paperweights. That is all these things are. The very idea that Apple makes it so difficult, if not impossible to repair your system, or even perform some of the most basic types of upgrades that virtually every other manufacturer allows you to make, is just a huge middle finger to their customers. I’m not gonna drop $2,500 on something that I can’t repair if something happens or goes wrong. I will stick with my $800 - $1,200 Windows machines that I know I can repair if needed. My current $850 lappy is still going strong after about 5 years of heavy use, and shows no sign of slowing down.

And Alex Bowden, Apple is equally, if not MORE biased in making sure that you are forced to purchase more of their products as often as possible, and they do that by making their devices unable to be repaired, or even upgrade-able. (Really? You can’t even let us upgrade the SSD now?)

Ryan Clarke - 답글

I have to say the word “PRO” or Professional was or is an important factor in the ability to keep on going, or have the choice to make upgrades or any improvements along the way. As a person who has spent over 30 years in the “Pro” Audio recording business we have spent thousands of “Extra $” for the ability to repair, or upgrade as needed. And as quickly as possible! In the “Pro” markets, hardware, firmware and software upgrades are part of the deal. We anticipate the expected as well as the the unexpected. We do NOT spend tons of $ to “Use once, Then Throw Away “ I had considered buying the new 16” unit…. but now I shall pass after seeing what iFix-it has revealed to all of us “Pro” folks in the field. Another day, another dollar .

vic - 답글

And yet Apple still refused to cool the VRMs properly. Those things will throttle like !&&* under full load, throttling the CPU and GPU. Why couldn’t they just put a copper plate on that covers the CPU, GPU, VRMs, and GDDR6? If I pay this much for it, I better not have an incentive to break into it with a screwdriver and a pack of thermal pads!

Ethan Zuo - 답글

I don’t know how to put a thumbs up for definition of PRO for Grant Spedding & John Ward. Good jobs

Babak - 답글

What about the cable connecting the LCD to the logic board? With the 2016+ MBP 15-Inch the cable was fixed on the LCD side and overtime got pinched. Did they fix this with the 16-inch?

Update: Flexgate issue -> https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18634...

manish328 - 답글

I will have to await an iMac redesign that will allow easy opening for cleaning/repairs/upgrades. Absent that, I will simply continue to make do with my late 2013 Macpro. While not upgradeable, except for memory and ssd, at least it is engineered to be dismantled for repairs. (Note ifixit’s repairability score.) The trash can’s performance is more than usable for my purposes, and it does run cool - the cpu rarely gets above 65C. Apple can’t seem to get it through their heads that the marketplace is demanding a repairable MacBook, and failure to provide one is only going to do continuing damage to their reputation.

Robert Meppelink - 답글

I will correct myself here and say that the marketplace seems to be wanting a Macbook pro with a user replaceable ssd and battery, to be done with minimal tools, simply by removing the bottom cover. This would probably require the Macbook pro to be thicker, and very noticeably so. No one would care.

Robert Meppelink -

Do you see the flexgate issue recurring in this new MBP? It seems that with new design comes problems and i’m skeptical that they may have overseen the display flex cable issue this year.

Any clarification would be appreciated

Brian Ramirez - 답글

I have owned and used many Apple products since 1999 (a relative newcomer, I admit, compared to many). It has always been for me a love/hate relationship. But lately, there’s been a lot more on the hate side than the love side. This 16” MBP does nothing to change that perception. I currently am using two 15” MBPs, a company-supplied 2018 i7 Touch Bar model, and a personally owned 2015 i7 Retina. The former has been rather a disappointment all the way around, while the latter is likely the last MBP I will ever buy, unless Apple changes course. I cannot, and will not, support the concept that devices with a finite number of write cycles should ever be soldered to a motherboard, let alone the lack of upgradeability.

My 2015 recently received a 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD upgrade, and actually has better R/W performance than the 2018. Cost around $200. I don’t even want to know what a comparable upgrade would cost for the 2018.

Useful lifespan used to be an Apple selling point. Not anymore, it seems.

Jeff Cook - 답글

Apple’s trend towards soldered-on components and deliberately complicating repairs really makes me sad. I have tried to leave to other systems several times but I love the Apple ecosystem and always come back for it. The new continuity features are just amazing, especially SideCar… !&&*, I would spring for one of these new MBPs if they were more repair and upgrade friendly! but I’m not dropping $3k on something that, if a necessary component breaks a year later after warranty is up, will leave me out hundreds or thousands of $$ for costly repairs.

Apple wants people to just buy another one or pay a lot of $ for their Apple Care scam. Well, screw you too Apple, I’ll just keep buying older used Apple products on Craigslist and not give you any $ until you get your act together.

Tyson Roehrkasse - 답글

I’m so salty that I bought a $4500 MacBook Pro like 3 months aaago. See what I did there? Any chance I can slaap one of those keyboards in for this HORRIBLE butterfly junk?

Drew Payment - 답글

I see whattt you did there! Unfortunately, the internal frames between the butterfly and scissor keyboards are different and not swappable without considerable modifications.

Arthur Shi -

Hello what about the screen câbles which HAD problems before. Are they better now ?

Nicolas Rat's - 답글

Guess I’m keeping my 2010 pro another year at least…

turcottesh - 답글

Curious whether this uses “TouchID 1” like the other Macbook Pros, or if we’ve gotten an upgrade to the faster TouchID 2 introduced in the iPhone 6S.

Eric Jacobsen - 답글

do you discuss and demonstrate the complications of removing the bottom cover to this 16” computer? where is the demonstrating of pulling it off in your video? after taking screws out of the bottom cover, it is complicating to unhook it from the machine via specialized hooks - unlike older macbook pro computers.

please notate, thanks.

tiko - 답글

tiko, these bottom covers are pesky to remove! We don’t have a guide for this 16” MBP yet, but you can check out our guide for the 15”—the procedure is the same. Hope this helps!

Taylor Dixon -

Hi! Thanks for the article. Can you please give a bit more details how to remove the speakers? Are they just glued?

sir_paul - 답글

I’ve been in both the broadcast and consumer end of electronic repair for several decades and the label “Pro” use to be tied directly to the accessibility and repair-ability of electronic equipment. Pro equipment was designed to be repaired and maintained with relatively easy access. There where call outs on circuit boards and tie points for test equipment along with straight forward disassembly and reassembly. None of that existed on cheap consumer, non “Pro” equipment. Apple has merged the “Pro” and “Consumer” moniker to some degree with the high price of “Pro” and the inability to maintain or repair that embodies cheap “Consumer” equipment. They have not done themselves a great service by taking this approach.

Robert Dorr

Robert Dorr - 답글

Hi! Thanks so much for your guide. Do you think is there any risk to speakers if you pass the vaccum cleaner over the spearks grill?

With regards!

Juan - 답글

Could we have more details on the 3-mic array? It seems not a single source is available on the Internet about it.

Jiahe Shi - 답글

Is it possible to fit 2017” MacBook pro 15” components in the 16” chassis? Asking for a friend.

Bobby - 답글

Any comments on the LCD panel: how they achieved thin borders and its stack up?

V Sethna - 답글

Hi any update on the LCD panel itself? I am interested on its thin borders and the overall stack up of the components. and the replaceability of the LCD panel.

V Sethna - 답글

I cracked my trackpad. I see you note it’s replaceable, can I use the trackpad from an 15 MBP?

Gig - 답글

I think the accelerometer was to prevent platter damage in a drop, there are on platters in this book, any idea why is the accelerometer there?

perris - 답글

Hi,

Could be possible to exchange the keycaps on a Macbook A2141 with US keyboard, with those of a last Italian desktop Magic Keyboard?

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052...

Thanks

Regards

Carlo - 답글

Hi Carlo,

If the Italian Magic Keyboard is similar to the American Magic Keyboard, then yes, most keys should be exchangeable. You may have some issues with the larger keys, such as the shift and space keys.

Arthur Shi -

“Pro” means flexibility, and always has. It isn’t about whether the user does the upgrades themselves; it is about the power to upgrade a machine. This ability to continue to invest in your investment is part of what makes a machine “Pro.” I would rather pay an extra $1000 for a machine that is upgradeable, than for one that is not. Apple got it all wrong in this arena this time. Thin is overrated in a “Pro” product; Apple could have traded thinness for upgradability.

Segue - 답글

The only reason I would trade in my matte screen 2011 MBP is that a charge only lasts an hour with a new One World replacement battery. I have googled the problem but found nothing beyond the usual “check if an app is using a lot of power”. After reading this, I think I will have to suffer a bit longer unless one of you guys can help me out with an explanation.

Ronald Chalmers - 답글

where in the world is the FULL tear down video???

David Hernandez - 답글

Tim Cook has slowly and deliberately undermined every reason to buy a Mac. He’s turning out to be Apple’s Steve Ballmer, no genuine passion for quality, just concerned about profits. But I’m not buying shares.

Came here to see if I could replace my mid-2009 with something viable for the same amount of years. It’s been through many hard drives, most spinning, and a few batteries. There have been times when I swapped a drive right out of a backup case and kept going. But the passion for quality and the company customer advocate was buried since my 2009 was made.

I hate dealing with the Apple Store, it feels like a contrived scam and I don’t want to give some big company my old hard drive with my data on it, nor do I want their techs to have access to it.

Thank you, iFixit, you’re doing dog’s work.

speedyk - 답글

Would someone mind sharing where the Touch ID Cable is located and possible make a guide on how to reseat the connection. I am getting that dreaded “Touch ID Failed to complete Enrollment” Error. and nothing has worked to resolve it (PRAM,SMC,Fresh macOS, Revived/Restored Firmware via DFU mode) leaving me out of options. third MacBook Pro with this problem, and apple refuses to fix it. go figure.

Stefan Lewis - 답글

No idea if it will help, but you can reseat the connection following steps 29-31 of this guide. Good luck!

Jeff Suovanen -

How on earth can Apple get away with attaching the battery in such a way that a battery replacement requires also replacing the top case, speakers and keyboard? Certainly they could have found a less user hostile way to attach a component with a finite life span.

Justin Sitter - 답글

“Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible.”

That is a lie that they want us to believe. Microsofts new surface books are not glued together anymore and still are the same size. It is complete BS that glueing stuff together makes the device more slim.

Apple is corrupted by greed. It is simple “planned obsolence” what they are doing. Their environmental greenwashing statements they post on their website are nothing but shallow lies. Time to change. I am not buying Macs anymore unless this practice has ended.

Dr Dillio - 답글

I have the 8TB model, and the flash storage isn’t Toshiba - it looks to be SanDisk. The chips are marked SDSBEGGKH-1T00 CN, and all 8 locations are populated (4 on each side of the motherboard), so I’m assuming that each chip is 1TB.

Jason Eckert - 답글

OK let’s put it this way. The Thinkpad competitors to this notebook would be the P series. The P series actually have a parts list with FRU part numbers. FRU means field replacement unit, ie. they send it to you so that you can pop open the case and swap the bad part with the good part. Makes in place repair within a couple of days possible. Depending on the warranty coverage you can actually get 48-72 hours on-site repair, where a tech comes ou tot you with a tool case and spare parts and pretty much fixes the laptop on the spot. That is pro level hardware support for professional gear. BTW, I own a 16” MBP, so I actually have a horse, or two (couple of thinkpads) in the race.

sinan yilmaz - 답글

If you want the ultimate in portability I suppose you need to accept that certain things are glued/soldered. I can understand this being the case for parts which rarely fail. But when you rivet the keyboard, solder the memory and SSD and glue the battery, this makes no sense.

I can also understand that it is more economical for vendors to replace entire boards while under warranty: the service centers need less equipment, less regulations to comply with (ventilation and exposure to toxic fumes), the technicians need less trainings, it is faster and potentially more reliable on the long term.

But basic components that frequently fail (memory, disk drives, batteries) should be end-user replaceable or at least without specialized skills/tools.

I have a ASUS ZenBook Flip which is even thinner than a MacBook Pro (ASUS is 13.9 mm thin while the thinnest MBP is 14.9 mm). Yet, the battery, disk drive and memory modules for ASUS are easily serviceable (they are not glued/soldered/riveted).

Bogdan - 답글

Which sound chip does it use? Sound even through the 3.5mm jack seems nicer than on previous 15” macbooks or is it just me?

Alex - 답글

애플이 이번에 수리 난이도를 겁나 올리려고 작정했고 결국 성공했군.

UiJun Lee - 답글

What happen if we use desktop magic keyboard scissor mechanism(the thicker one) in Macbook Pro keyboard ?

Friday - 답글

댓글 쓰기

조회 통계:

24 시간 전: 110

7일 전: 1,174

30일 전: 5,554

전체 시간: 393,896