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Rear camera works intermittently

Has anyone else encountered this problem? The rear camera on my iPhone works intermittently. Most of the time, the camera app screen remains black, but occasionally it starts up and functions normally. Additionally, when the camera isn’t working, the flash doesn’t work as a torch either.

My repairer suggests replacing the camera, but if that were the case, shouldn’t the flash still operate independently since it’s not directly linked to the camera module?

Can you help me suggesting the cause? thanks

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Actually, if I'm not mistaken there may well be a dependency between the camera and the flash, so your repairer may not be wrong in that respect. I'll try and find the reference where I heard that, but in the meantime Alisha ( @flannelist ), what's your experience with bad cameras causing flash issues?

Update (02/20/24)

Just to add a bit more, it's not authoritative, but is interesting. From this thread:

SOLVED: iPhone X cameras and flashlight don't work after drop - iPhone X - iFixit

And the final resolution to this particular question turned out to be:

Update (02/20/24)

Ah, I ran across a comment from Alisha regarding this problem, and it appears your repair person is on to something there.

Repairing Rear Camera and Flashlight (iPhone XR) - iPhone XR - iFixit

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many thanks! let's wait for Alisha

Sorry for the delay, hope you got this fixed, but @dadibrokeit is spot on. I am going to put a separate answer here with some extra details about why this happens. so I can ramble if I need to :D

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I would definitely think camera is the issue. Even though the camera module and the flash module are separate, they are electrically intertwined. This is the case on every iPhone schematic I have examined. I am not 100% on the exact process, because it's hard to know order of operations.

In short, an enable signal for the flash is transmitted by/through the camera module. So non functional camera usually means non functional flash. depending on the failure.

I see this issue enough it probably warrants some more detailed explanation. I think the thing that is easy to overlook in cases like this is that electrical interconnection is not easy to figure out with your eyes. The flash and the camera are independent, but they still talk to a lot of the same components on the logic board.

Caught in this web is the CPU, the Camera Power Management chip, the main power management chip and the strobe drivers. As well as the camera an flash/strobe drivers. It's hard to know exactly order of operations from the schematic alone, I'm looking at the datasheet for the LED driver right now because there are still bits of the process I don't totally understand (like why specifically the flashlight/torch function doesn't work if the camera is not functioning).

This chip specifically has a dedicated pin for flashlight function. But it's possible there are some checks in place, or something in the circuitry requires the camera to be present/functional for that line to work as well. Or Apple just decided to not use that PIN and made some workaround. I haven't had coffee yet this morning so I will probably have to stare at this a bit longer. But I'll update if I figure it out.

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